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May 23, 2024

Today on the show I’m joined by Brian Kakas and Lisa Giuliani for a discussion about the changing landscape of ceramic education. In the interview we talk about demographic shifts and closures in higher education, craft school education, and helping an arts community survive after a core institution downsizes its ceramics program. This episode was taped in front of a live audience at the NCECA conference in Richmond, VA. I’d like to thank Cole Collier for running sound for the event and NCECA for coproducing this episode.


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Today’s episode is brought to you by the following sponsors:

The Rosenfield Collection of Functional Ceramic Art

Cornell Studio Supply

Bray Clay